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Mak, What Greek abuses are you talking about ??
You are living in fantasy, Greece has a Prime Minister who is Macedonian.
Why dont you get a Prime Minister who is Albanian, he will do a better job!

wow. first off the greeks are the first europeans, second we owned the land before you ever came. Alex. the great was greek he spoke it his parents were born in greece from greeks, he worshiped it. we have the oldest european culture and language and culture before your ancestors migrated in our land. just like sicily

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The Republic of Macedonia shall conquer and subdue Albania, Aegean Macedonia and especially you Bulgarians. Macedonian DNA is the oldest in the world and proves we are superior to all of the Balkans and the rest of the world. We do not speak Bulgarian but the Macedonian language which is the oldest in the world much older than Welsh or Greek. It's time that you all accept the reality of a United and Great Macedonia with Solun as the capital.

I did say "were forbidden" and not "are forbidden". The years I am referring to are 1945-1960 onwards, in the area of what was then called "Northern Greece" and now called "(Greek) Macedonia". There have been enough postings on this and allied sites by local people affected by this local Greek language ban to make my point; I am relatively lucky in that as a Brit I can use Welsh or English (or French) as best suits my purpose, without any UK national "guidance" (= compulsion) on which language I use and when I use it.

Boris,are you for real? Not long ago, you said that Alexander the Great was Greek,now you are saying he was Albanian and spoke Albanian.Are you the same historian I told you know nothing about history? My assumptions were right on!Not only you are nor a historian,but you dont know your own mother.We the Macedonians know who we are.Our ethnicity is Macedonian by tribe,by blood and by DNA.The highest DNA match to the ancient Macedonians are the Macedonians from the Republic of Macedonia and Macedonians under Greek occupation and Macedonians in Bulgaria.Bulgarians, Albanians and Greeks do not match the DNA with our ancient macedonians,do you get it?You people are realy pathetic,I feel sorry for you for not being able to come to termes with your real mixed DNA.You fooles, you are Arvanoturki,there cannot be anything else.There is no connection to the ancient Hellens.The only way you are connected is by mythology,and that is why you have been cloned to Greeks,not because you are.In order to keep the mixture together the Albanians,Vlahs,Roma,Turks and Macedonians they cloned you to pseudo Greeks.You can argue till the cows fly,you cannot chage the facts of history.

David the second, if you read spa's posts you would see that he is a bulgarian claiming that Macedonia was bulgarian....he's not greek. Oh and by the way, Skopjans are free to speak their Bulgarian tongue in Greece just like anyone else.

to Spa 05 akw - and you lot aren't ancient Greeks either, any more that today's Macedonians are ancient Macedonians ! Life moves on and populations change over the
centuries and millenia. This has affected Greece as much as any other European country, with population movements of Vlachs, Roma, Albanians, and Turks (especially in 1924-26) in and out of today's Greek boundaries, quite apart from ethnic Macedonians who
were forbidden to use their own language on Greek territory (a bit fascist, that !) It might be a bit unfair to refer to today's Greek population as "Arvanoturkia", as some do, but one can see why they do it.

fyromanians! If it was possible I would make a police repport for trying to steal Bulgarian history. Yoy speak BULGARIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which was based on Moesian dialect and Proto-Bulgar. Don´t you dare to steal other peoples history. AND YOU ARE NOT ANCIENT MACEDONIANS!

Macedonia was always a PROVINCE, and you speak Bulgarian - Macedonian oldest in the world? Hahahahahahahahaha.....
There exist NO Macedonian language, but BULGARIAN. You speak Bulgarian dialect, Morons.

•In A short life of Climent by Dimiter Homatian (Archbishop of Ohrid from 1216 to about 1234) we can read following: “On this same day, June 27, in memory of our saintly Archbishop and miracle working Climent, Bishop of Bulgaria in Ohrid […] This great priest and enlightener of Bulgaria was a native of European Moesia, the people of which are usually known to be Bulgarians […] First, along with godlike Naum, Angelari and Ghoasd, he zealously studied the Holy Bible, which had been translated by God´s help into the local dialect by Cyril, a truly godly man and like the Apostles. From the beginning Climent had been with Methodius, the famous teacher of devotion to God and the Orthodox faith of the Moesian people. In this way, obeying the divine law from his youth and living righteously, exactly according to the Gospels, he finally became an adherent of the Christian leaders and the leader in Christian devotion of the whole Moesian people, bearing the same trials as the priest and the teachers – trials inflicted by the heretics […] Climent was raised to the bishop´s throne when Methodius made him the bishop of the whole of Illyria and of the Bulgarian people, who were predominant in the country […] and when he had made known his apostolic service and the growth of the talent which he was gifted to Adrian, then the Pope of ancient Rome and when Methodius was made the archbishop of the whole of Moravia and Bulgaria by the same Pope. Most often he stayed in the Illyrian city of Lichnida, which was the centre for the surrounding cities and which is today called Ohrid in the language of the Moesians, or in Cephalonia, translated into the Bulgarian language Glavinitsa, where he left monuments. In this city of Lichnida he built sacred temples […] He left us these monuments and holy books in Ohrid – his own works…”

Comment: European Moesia, that is Bulgaria. Ohrid lies in Macedonia (Today´s F.Y.R.O.M) Hence it says “the Archbishop of the whole of Moravia and Bulgaria” – It does NOT say “of Moravia and Macedonia”.

According to MARGINALIA AND POSTSCRIPTS (The postscripts to the Old Bulgarian translation of the Life of Antonius the Great, written at the end of the 9th century and the beginning of the 10th) we can read following: “… as I finished the translation of the work by Anastasius the Great on the life of Our Great Father Antonius, I would like to have […] Joan, who followed Antonius´s Life. We were requested to translate by the church builder Joan, our master, Archbishop of the Bulgarian lands. And we were asked to translate not only the Life of Antonius but also the Life of the famous miracle-working disciple of Peter, Pancratius, because it had not been translated by anyone before us. When I thought it out, I decided to overcome our crudeness and inexperience and not to leave the Slav people deprived of the divine ´Lives` of these miracle-workers.

Comment: Hence it is called Old Bulgarian – not Old Macedonian!!!

According to Gregorius, the Presbyter´s marginalia to the translation of the Old Testament (end of the 9th century and beginning of the 10th): “Books […] They have been translated from the Greek into the Slavonic language in the time of the Royal Prince Simeon, the son of Boris, by Gregorius, the Presbyter, churchman of all the Bulgarian churches. These books have been translated by order of the princely booklover Simeon, quite rightly called lover of God”.

Comment: Hence it says “all Bulgarian churches” – not Macedonian!

Furthermore, Boris and Simeon were Bulgarian Kings – NOT Macedonian!


According to Marginalia to the translation of “Words against the Arians” by Anastasius of Alexandria (907): “Jesus Christ, Son of God, be victorious! These devout books, called Atanasius, have been translated by the orders of our Bulgarian Prince Simeon from the Greek language […] by the Bishop Constanin, who was a disciple of Methodius, the Moravian Archbishop, in the year 6414 (906) from the beginning of the world. And they were written at the same Prince Toudor´s orders by the monk Black Shirt Descov at the mouth of the River Ticha, where the same Prince Toudor built a beautiful, holy, new, gold church in the year 6415 (907) indict 14. In the same year, on the second day of May, Saturday evening, the father of this Prince died – God´s servant, our highminded and pious Bulgarian Prince, called Boris, which Christian name was Michael”.

Comment: It is said “our highminded and pious Bulgarian Prince” – It is NOT said “our Macedonian Prince”.


According to an Italian Legend written by Father Guaderin in the 10th century: “In the time when the Emperor Michail ruled the Empire of the New Rom, there lived a man of noble birth, named Constantin […] Called philosopher […] The Emperor granted him his request and asked the same above-mentioned Pholosopher to come to him, and he sent him with his brother Methodius to the lands of the Slavs…”

Comment: Constantine, that is “Cyrillos”. Cyril was of Moesian origin, as the text witness´s, born in Thessalonica which was also populated by Bulgarians.

According to Chernorizets Hrabar (The Brave), an Old Bulgarian man of letters who was writing at the end of the 9th century and the beginning of the 10th century we can read the following: “Then the Slavs had no books, and being pagans, they divined the future by lines and strokes. When they were christened they were forced to write with Latin and Greek letters […] But Saint Constantin, called, Cyril, translated the Slavonic books alone…”

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What on earth is wrong with being a "Slav" ? This seems to be some sort of hate-word from the Greek / Hellenic side, but in Northern Europe it has a positive connotation. The word "Slav" comes from the old Slavonic for "word" (Slovo), meaning those who understood the speech, and the other word "Niemiets" (for "German") means someone who did not understand the speech (nie= no, and miets = having/speaking). In today's Slavonic languages the word "slava" means "glory". I fear the Greeks will cast themselves into a tiny little linguistic microcosm (now there's a good Greek word !) of their own,
rejecting their neighbours speaking Slavonic, Albanian, Roma, and Turkish languages, and not being very good at speaking/writing English either.
As Virgil said "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes", but he didn't use Greek to express this thought.

The Republic of Macedonia shall defeat Albania, Greece, bulgaria and any other country that stands away. Great Macedonia will be as it was in the golden age with Solun as her capital once again. Bow down to Great Macedonia all you monkeys. YOu greeks dont even exist, you are a bunch of 1/2 turks and 1/2 albanians. The Macedonian language is the oldest in the world, not your turkish dialect.

So many nusty words and hatred, I really do not understand what makes people be so hostile and offensive to each other. I am Greek and married to a Bulgarian happily for the last 10 years and have two lovely kids. My kids love both countries the same way. The expressions described in this blog are not part of us AND WE REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE. There is not any more MEGALI IDEA to the majority of the Greeks, and I did not see any territorial aspiration or any form of extremism in any of the normal people of Bulgaria, Fyrom or Albania (with exception perhaps of Serbia). Those Peter and Mac and NIX who make their ridiculous selves exposed to this blog ashaming their country and their people are MENTALLY RETARDED and should be treated like that. And for those Greeks who respond or think along the same line, SIMILAR treatment should be considered. We are all, in the Balcans, traumatized from ghosts from the past who have been introduced to us through our schools and nationalistic education. What we need is to listen to each other, understand our differences and make a laugh on any or all of these ridiculous claims from wherever they come and move on with life. Some ouzo with meze will definitely help!

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Very primitive exchanges! ugly words,bad language! and I sense HATE in the emotions.....on all sides...Forty five years ago, I married a Bulgarian,and I was born in Athens ,Greece. I am still together and have a beautiful family with NO ugly emotions or hate talks.I really hope, the future writers of this column, can bear some intelligence for the sake of their children.We are all Europeans,and open borders and free trade is a Victory towards more freedom and good life.I wish the Sofia Echo had more of those lines that can relate stories that are successful in life.Good exchanges, good will,and not always UGLY OUTBURSTS and emotions that communicate FEAR and HATE. MUST BE TAUGHT TO YOUNG KIDS: PATRIOTISM versus NATIONALISM.The French have a say when they mention "women versus men":"Vive la difference!"(long live variety translated in English) Let's do it for the sake of our kids. Then SERENITY will come ,and we will find that we all have a lot in common;my philosophy & hope I did not fall on dead ears only....Thanks!

FYROM live in a dream, a fantasy created by Marshal Tito of Yugoslav in the 1940s, they think that they are connected with the Ancient Macedonians of Greece. FYROM are Bulgarian Slavs who arrived into Europe 1000 years after Alexander the Great and speak a Bulgarian language.
Macedonia has been Greek for 4000 years they claim to be Greek and speak Greek and we will not give that up. People should do their research and the truth will be found.
FYROM are a troubled Balkan state,
-Shame on FYROM for their lies and propaganda-

I am wondering why all the Balkans, including Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania (the last 2 in the EU) don't decide to become part of the Greek territory and game over.

During the last 120 years the Greek megalomania and expansionist policy successfully renamed the Thracian territories of Bulgaria, part of Turkey and all Southern part of Macedonia, expelled and ethnically cleansed them from any other than "Greek" nationals and prohibited to its citizens North of Thessaloníki to speak any other language than Greek.

I believe that there are only 2 solutions: or we all become Greeks or we all stand up to Greece on the international scene and stop its territorial and ethnical claims.

These kind of incidents happen daily in greece towards macedonians and macedonian vehicle, greece is the naitonalists not the macedonians, macedonia is peaceful democratic country.

FYROM should be called Slav Yugoslavia...Yes..exactly...becausethat is what they are...
FYROM is the only Balkan making claims against another country by attempting to steal its identity and heritage. Little does it realise that it has biiger problems at its door step particularly a muslim one called Albania and Albanian human rights...
And stop the propaganda war against its neighbours...

What is wrong with the Greeks? Why can't Macedonia just go on being Macedonia and let's all go about our business instead of making up Bogeymen?

P.J.

Megali Idea was a policy of uniting Greek populated territories out of the crumbling Ottoman Empire, but this ended in 1922 when Greeks from Turkey, left for Greece under the population exchange. FYROM nationalism on the other hand makes territorial, and historical claims TODAY. Identity theft is another name for it, and that is illegal in most countries. Greece, the primary investor in the region has aimed to help develop FYROM's economy so you may one day enter the developed world. But if you insist on biting the hand that helps you, then your only harming your own interests. Greece has nothing to gain from FYROM, but FYROM has alot to gain from Greek capital and projects. From your theory, one can only assume that King Otto was able to "create" Greeks in Russia, France, Britain, Austria, America, and in the remaining parts of the Ottoman Empire, this includes Greeks alive prior to his birth. Not to mention free Greece, were his popularity was so low that it forced him into exile. This anti-Greek propaganda, is what is causing friction in the Balkans, and depriving FYROM from its prosperous future in the EU. Its your choice.

We all chill a bit and learn to get along; we have no-one but ourselves to blame for all the wars, driven by nationalistic bs, which brought us only death and misery.
The moment is now to dissengage from name calling, to focus on building better relationships and expanding trade.
Our ancestors defined being Greek as anyone who accepted the ideals of rule of law, fairness and democracy. As such we are all Greeks! Now, lets get along.

Just a short note for;Peter,Andrea and True Greek.Do you people know Greeces "Megali Idea?"Do you really know anything?Furtheremore, if greece elects to shut down the borders,they will be the ones who will suffer more than anybody else.Greeces transports are going to continental Europe through Macedonia and soon through the Alexander the Great corridor.Greeks,you were not called Greek before 1832,you have been glorified by none other than your first King Otto on a false pretence.Your proper name is Arvanoturkia this is the proper representation of the mix of people.

A note to Boris;you my friend are stupid person.Macedonia was divided by the Big Powers in 1913.The Republic of Macedonia was under Serbian rule for 31 years untill 1944 at which point the Socialist Republic of Macedonia was recognized for its fight againts the Nazis.Before than Macedonia was ruled by Serbia,same as Greece rules Aegean Macedonia since 1913.The Aegean Macedonians fought the Nazis and Italians along side the Greeks.but Greece has renaged on the rights for the Macedonians,same as Bulgaria since Dimitrov died.The Macedonians in Yugoslavia earned their freedom.The bulk of the fighters in Greece againts the Nazis and Italians were the Macedonians,unlike Queen Frederika wering the Swastica in Athens,this is no bull my friend!The grandfather of the Macedonian PM Gruevski gave his life in that war defending Greece,dint you forget it.Boris, you claimed to me once that you are a historian,and I said to you:It is too bad for your students who you teach fabricated history.They realy are learning nothing from you,but falsified history.It is ironic,to have people like you teaching a subject you dont know.

The visiting Greek people in Ohrid were not attacked,the buses were paint sprayed only.What the Greeks do to the returning Macedonian truck driversan rout from Salonika to Macedonia?Do you remember the "broom"at the Gevgelja border?You Greeks love to expand on fabricated stories,dont you?You people are the masters of fabrication of stories (history) as long as it serves your purpose.Well,now that we do have one part of Macedonia independent and free,we are able to re-claim our own history and the bigest looser is of course you Greeks.Wake-up Greece,and start writting your own history as of 1832.

You Slavs in Skopje are stupid, Macedonia and Alexander were Albanian and spoke Albanian. The Rosetta stone was written in Albanian. If Macedonia is truly Skopjan then why did you only get the Vadar region when you became a country for the 1st time in the 1990s? Greater Albania is coming and there is nothing you can do about, resistance will only make it worse just look at Kosova. And dont expect Turkey to help you, did you forget that Muslims stick together over you slavs? HA! Get use to the Albanian flag, you're going to see it more often these days.

Greece should close it's border with fyrom and convince albania and bulgaria to do the same, then they should block all trade with this nation to the point of not allowing their planes to land either or use their airspace. That will teach these fyrom idiots to play nice. This name dispute would be solved in no time if we all hit them where it counts.

FYROM or so called Macedonia is the only one country on the Balkan peninsula with territorial claims to all neighbors. The Macedonians try to steal the history from Greece and from Bulgaria. I should say with such a "friend" who needs enemies? Skopje is going to be the outsider in the region because of it's mad nationalists policy.

Well surprise, surprise - the Greeks shit all over Macedonia for 20 years with the most ridiculous claim that they seek part of their territory and then wonder why the Macedonians don't like them very much. And then the Greeks are stupid enough to go to Macedonia on vacation!

Does anyone know why Greece only recognizes the Muslums as the only other "ethnic religion" in their country.. and does not recognize the turks ,vlachs , romas , and MACEDONIANS??? DOES GREECE REMEMBER THE Macedonian Refugee Children from the Aegean Macedonia THOUSE were/are the real Victims in all of this..!!!

It's disturbing just how this kind of bigotry, and nationalistic expansionism still exists in the Balkans. Greece is now the only country in the region that does NOT have territorial claims on another nation. Not to mention the billions Greek businesses invest in FYROM, to develop its economy and provide jobs, so they may one day enter the league of developed nations. Tourism also plays a large role in this. But if FYROM keeps acting irresponsibly with a mentality from the 19th century, in this case and politically, it will just harm its own interests.

Thank you for proving how uncivilized you are...

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GREEK LARGE COUNTRY (MEGALI IDEA) STOP IN 1922 IN GR-TURK WAR IN ANATOLIA. FYROM LARGE COUNTRY STOP IN YEAR? BETER BIG BULGARIA AND BIG ALBANIA FROM A LITTLE AND STRAGE COUNTRY FYROM.

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