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Turkish coast guard caught escorting smugglers into Greece - report

Author: Nick Iliev Date: Mon, Sep 21 2009 31 Comments, 8605 Views
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During cooperative Frontex patrol in the Aegean sea, a Latvian helicopter detected a Turkish coast guard vessel close to the islet of Farmakonisi, which not only failed to thwart a smuggling vessel from entering Greek waters but actively assisted it, the Greek daily Kathimerini reported on September 21 2009.
 
Those images, made by the Latvian aircraft and then submitted to the Greek authorities, are clear evidence that Turkish and Greek naval authorities were not cooperating in the control of smuggling and illegal immigration, the report said.

Frontex, is a European Union agency with headquarters in Warsaw, Poland. The agency was established as a specialised and independent body tasked to coordinate the operational cooperation between European member states in the field of border security.
 
"We have to mention... at 8.01 [am] a suspicious target detected in Greek territorial waters moving to the east... At 8.02, the suspicious target has been recognised as a Turkish coast guard vessel," Kathimerini said, quoting the official report from the Latvian aircraft.
 
The pilots have submitted documentation and pictures on September 14 to European authorities, implicating a Turkish coast guard vessel providing escort for a smuggling boat into Greek national waters.
 
The EC said in a statement last week that the Frontex helicopter had "never violated Turkish air space" but also added that the aircraft "had never received threats from Turkish authorities."
 
As a consequence of the ongoing trafficking and smuggling problem in the area and the inability for Greek and Turkish authorities to curb the escalating levels of immigration, the French government is said to have submitted a proposal to the EU’s council of justice and interior ministers, calling for Turkey, as well as Libya, to cooperate with EU member states in the drive to help minimise illegal immigration.

Meanwhile, on October 1-2 2009 in Warsaw, the Swedish presidency of the EU and Frontex will hold a workshop/conference on biometric technologies (stationary and mobile) for air, land, and sea border control.

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      #29 22, 53, Tue, Sep 29 2009

      qEwsXp I want to say - thank you for this!

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      #28 23, 48, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      Aries - many thanks for setting out your credentials and current position (and for confirming my suspicion that Malthus was the first internatioanl thinker to set out thoughts along these lines.) Thanks too to Valeri for setting out his rather different position.

      This is a difficult and weighty ethical area where there are no "easy answers", and I am not sure it is suitable for this site for blog-type discussion (I know that Aries and Valeri will give this serious subject suitable weighty thought, but I would prefer that Peggy or (even worse) Pella did not [...]

      Read the full comment get in on the act !)

      A long time ago I had to deal with a suite of computer programs (in Fortran) which computed a thing called a "population multiplier", in other words how the population number in a given country would respond to changes in food supply.

      My particular task was to convert the program code into BASIC for use on hand-held computers by NATO field staff; not a difficult task as (as Aries will know better than I) Fortran and BASIC are linked algorithmic computer languages. so that a one-line statement in one language can easily be re-coded into a one-line statement in the other (except for Fortran's FORMAT statements !!!)

      Enough of IT geek-speak. What the programs actually did was to calculate what happened to the population if the "population miltiplier" turned negative, under nuclear war, pestilence or other conditions.

      The relatively optimistic answer was that, even if 100% of the food supply disappeared, this would only ever kill 95% of the population, so somebody would always survive to found a new human colony.

      Curiously, we found very few international organisations interested in this software, with the major exception of NATO FAPC (Food Supply Directorate) and UNHCR.

      Moral : you can do what you like to make things better, but most people aren't interested !

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      Aries Rating:
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      #27 22, 39, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      epaminondas
      My fisrt Degree was Bsc(Econ)
      my graduate studies were Information Tech(Msc.comp)
      with my econmics i majored in statistics,econometrics and Demograhy.
      In 2008 it was pointed out that various limited resources which may soon limit human population growth because of a widespread belief in the importance of prosperity for every individual and the rising consumption trends of large developing nations such as China and India.
      In the work of economist Thomas Malthus a catastrophe are very similar to a theory of wages a namely the subsistence theory of wages The [...]

      Read the full comment main difference is that the Malthusian theories predict over several generations or centuries, whereas the subsistence theory of wages predicts over years and decades.
      In 1798 published his theory of quantitative development of human populations:
      << I think I may fairly make two postulata
      First, That food is necessary to the existence of man.
      Secondly, That the passion between the sexes is necessary and will remain nearly in its present state.
      These two laws, ever since we have had any knowledge of mankind, appear to have been fixed laws of our nature, and, as we have not hitherto seen any alteration in them, we have no right to conclude that they will ever cease to be what they now are, without an immediate act of power in that Being who first arranged the system of the universe, and for the advantage of his creatures, still executes, according to fixed laws, all its various operations.
      Assuming then my postulata as granted, I say, that the power of population is indefinitely greater than the power in the earth to produce subsistence for man. Population, WHEN UNCHECKED, increases in a geometrical ratio.>>
      The block letters are mine.,in modern terminology, a population that is increasing in geometric progression is said to be experiencing exponential growth. Neo-Malthusians argue that although adult immigrants .who, at the very least, arrive with human capital, contribute to economic production, there is little or no increase in economic production from increased natural growth and fertility. Neo-Malthusians argue that hyper-exponential population growth has begun or will begin soon in developed countries.
      The so-called green revolution triggered a dramatic increase in productivity of agriculture, and, consequently, growth of the world's food supply. In response, the growth rate of the world's population accelerated rapidly, resulting in predictions of an imminent Malthusian catastrophe. However, populations of most developed countries grew slowly enough to be outpaced by gains in productivity. By the 1990, agricultural production appeared to begin peaking in several world regions.
      Today, many technologically developed countries pass through the DEMOGRAPHIC TRANSITION a very complex social development whch encompasses
      1) a drop in total fertility rates which is considered as a response to lower infant mortality
      2) More education of women
      3) Increased URBANIZATION .
      4) increased availability of effective BIRTH CONTROL
      Basing the estimates on the assumption that the demographic transition is now spreading from the developed countries to the less developed the UNPF asserts that human population may peak in the late 21st century .
      Some do nogt aggree with the UN projections The most important point is that none of the projections show the population growth beginning to decline before 2050. Indeed, the UN "high" estimate does not decline at all, even out to 2300, indicating the possibility of a Malthusian Check.
      Another factor that will lead to a Malthusian check is Oil depletion.

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      #26 20, 22, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      There is also another factor at play.
      In the US Black and Hispanic girls are starting menstruation as early as 7 years old, and many are pregnant by 13, and many are morbidly obese.
      I believe that the phenomena is due to the inherent evolutional inability of their organisms to absorb steady flow of basic nutrition, since traditionally its availability has been spotty, until the last, perhaps 80-100 years.

      We, Europeans, had the chance to adjust to better nutrition, because its availability was a gradual process, one that occurred through centuries of [...]

      Read the full comment development. What's going on in Africa and other places is similar, albeit of less dramatic proportion that the American catastrophe, in that basically richer folks are dumping lots of excess food, along with the cheap drugs, that are tipping evolutional process out of balance.
      Due to their developmental level, African physic was basically designed to procreate under much more adversed conditions, of random availability of nutrition, and violating those conditions has a price attached to it, that we are all having to deal with right now....

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      #25 20, 16, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      A bit of a grim analysis, Valeri, but I can see your point. There certainly is a doctrine (is it Malthus ?) that lays down that famine and pestilence act as "population stabilisers" in primitive societies. Well-intentioned Western medical and food-aid help disturbs this balance, and population numbers rise sharply as a result, causing emigration, (probably) refugees, (equally probably) local wars, and general instability. A grim analysis, as I say, and not one which I ethically welcome, but it does contain a grain of truth.

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      #24 20, 05, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      I think we can point fingers to whomever we like, but the bottom line is that Africa and Southern Asia are in the middle of an unsustainable population explosion that is being fueled by all kinds of well intended Western organizations, providing free or cheap drugs for basic illnesses , which had the essential role of controlling population in a less developed societies. The combination of these otherwise easily treated illnesses, and constant wars, kept Europe from imploding throughout our less enlighten history. Luckily we didn't have an outside power to provide us with means of survival, that we weren't [...]

      Read the full comment ready for.
      To make matters worse, the West is very instrumental in preventing wars in that part of the world, which in the aggregate is the prescription for long term disaster...

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      #23 16, 09, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      Epiminondas
      Thanks for the support
      I think that as the issue deeveloped and is developing its
      No more a political issue its pure humaanitarian its an issue between atributing value to human life or not, The Muslim maximn of
      "it's Allah want's it let it be done" with no further qeestioning.
      "Fundamentalism ". Brings us from the 21 century to the Dark Ages of Chriniatinity the Inquisirion. thatis seven centuries back. No better example could poosibly describe better "The Clash of Civilisations" and not valung human life.
      To [...]

      Read the full comment the wise guys.
      Hold on to the Baksheesh rule under various excuses diplomatic
      ,ethnical,political,military,.....
      and bye-bye EU.
      thats for sure chew......
      One thing is for sure that you can become the 52th state of the USA.

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      #22 11, 37, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      Aries is right in saying that, if Turkey has a lot of coastline to supervise (which it has), Greece has a whole lot more, given its large number of Aegean islands.

      I think that there IS a case for EU funding of a properly-run coastal protection project, given that once the refugees get into Greece they then go elsewhere in the EU and so the problem becomes an EU-wide one.

      The fact that there is now a "land path" from Greece into the main EU heartland via Bulgaria and Romania into Hungary [...]

      Read the full comment intestifies the argument for an EU-wide solution, in my view.

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      #21 01, 56, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      since EU is so racist it is very strange why these immigranst want to come to Greece and EU//Greek Navy should sink them even if Turkish boat in Greek waters, to save these poor from racism-sink the boat!

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      #20 00, 00, Thu, Sep 24 2009

      ARIES,--I believe strongly in one thing, which is; before you dump the blame on somebody else you have to close every possible loophole for abuse around your house and then you will seek your neighbours cooperation. I tell you my friend when we analyze the relations between Turkey and Greece we can notice that never in the history Greeks has tried to solve what ever disputes they may have one to one base. Greece has always opted to put pressure on Turkey by involving the European powers. Again, we see in this illegal immigration situation Greece is trying European Community [...]

      Read the full comment to put pressure on Turkey.Despite, all the past experiences Greece has not learn its lesson. Pressure on Turkey by European Powers always brought negative results. In my opinion it is time for Greece to sober up and start dealing with its own problem on its merits without involving third parties.

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      #19 22, 53, Wed, Sep 23 2009

      If you deploy Greece's islands cosostlines it makes you twice the Turkish coastlines kavacik wise guy and what can one possiblly do when entountering a floating coffin in the high seas half sinking with poor desperate people
      who fled their "paradises" for a better life giving everything they
      possiibly can give for a "tip"
      baksheesh to a fat Turk. Dump them
      in the Aegean of course not you drag the coffin to the closest island and shelter those zombies. Have you seen the faces of those peolpe in the mid-night sea ilominated [...]

      Read the full comment by the flood lights of patrol boats? I personally have been witness of such a rescue my my way to Rhodes between Kos and Kalymnos. and such incidents occur every day wise because Turkey is incapable to rid rid of the "baksheeh" rule being a G20 COUNTRY MY FOOT most mildley put.
      chew the gum.

    • Anonymous
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      #18 20, 53, Wed, Sep 23 2009

      I think Kavacik has a very good point. This is a European problem and issue, and a European force should resource Greece's vulnerable south-east island frontier. BUT - whether the Greek government would see this as an
      encroachment on national sovereignty is very much an active question !

      Anybody got any sensible answers ?

    • Anonymous
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      #17 20, 10, Wed, Sep 23 2009

      You know what happens when migration birds habitat is destroyed, they fly far, far way places where food is plenty and there are no internal colonialism tread.They know when western hunters leave their own borders become savage and when they returned home they become kind and humane.So you see those people are not seeking refuge in Greece but rather using Greece as a stepping board. When these people move from Greece to other European countries Greece gets penalized financially.Because Greece is not capable of preventing those people landing into Greeces shorelines and therefore tries to dump the blame on Turkey.My [...]

      Read the full comment suggestion to my Greek friends is lobby your government to hand the security of your shorelines to better and able hands and I'm sure your problems would be solved.

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      #16 18, 32, Wed, Sep 23 2009

      Aries is right in the long term - if Uncle Sam had had a better Middle East policy, these people from Asia would not be driven to emigrate westwards now.

      At the same time, if Turkey had a better-coordinated coastguard / border police force (or a less corrupt one) this emigration into Greece would not be happening now. Turkey has a large army (relative to its population) and an equally large border police force, most of whom seem to be preoccupied in forcing a 10 euro "visa" fee out of each arriving UK tourist at Dalaman [...]

      Read the full comment international airport ! Maybe they should do the difficult job instead, and patrol beaches at Marmaris and Edirne, where it is easy for small boats to hop across onto neighbouring Greek islands.

      I think I smell baksheesh in Turkey, alas, and big baksheesh at that.

      Teshekur ederim

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      #15 16, 53, Wed, Sep 23 2009

      LMAO, that was funny and quite ridiculour to the last poster of saying Turkey is not at fault and Grecee should hire more border police. Turkey is to blame because THE TURKISH COAST GUARD IS HELPING SMUGGLE THEM IN. This is widely known in Greece and the locals all have seen it. Now it just happened to be caught by other Europeans who began to beleive what Greeks were saying all along. This is Turkey's problem, but instead of Turkey hiring more border police, they use their coast guard to smuggle them out. Good one Turkey, continue bullying your neighbors. [...]

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      #14 14, 17, Wed, Sep 23 2009

      As Kavacik put it, Turkey isn't to blame, this was created by western war-mongering policies of which we are all paying the price for.
      Aries, you are absolutely right if the west invested instead of carpet bombing these lands people would have no reason to leave. The issue is creating one of humanities worst misery's and at stake is the livelihood of millions more who are affected by it. As mentioned in the last posting, if Bush jnr. had thought anymore than his customary 3 min. attention span we might be in a far worse situatiuon than we [...]

      Read the full comment are already in. He now sits back on his Texas ranch eating 1 inch thick beef steaks while the millions of refugees on the road eat nothing more than the dandelion they can pick of the mountain sides. Nationalism in Greece sounds like its going through the roof, thankfully it is a lot of background noise by a very small number of fascists. At the end of the day those who suffer are the poor dispossesed who arrive on our shores and we haven't the resourses to help them, that my friends is the Tragedy of this issue. Shame on you Bush, Iraq and Afghanistan will one day erect a statue in your honour so they can forever throw shoes at the tyrant that was.........

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      #13 02, 46, Wed, Sep 23 2009

      Here we go again. Why you people blame Turkey for those illegal immigrants landing in the shores of the western countries? Turkey wasn't the country who destroyed those peoples habitat, it was the western governments greedy policies, which by the way you are part of it.Now those people are on the go to search for new and better habitat for themselves and for their families. It is not Turkey's problem to stop them, after all Turkey is not a border policemen to guard the western countries borders.If Greece wants to stop illegal emigrants entering into their country should hire more [...]

      Read the full comment border police.

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      #12 18, 54, Tue, Sep 22 2009

      Dodecanese
      Maybe you are right.
      The US, why don't we prropose an Aerial link beetween Inchirlik and New York with C5 Galaxy and see what happens with those poor people.
      It would be much better to create better conditions of living in their countries by investing so they can work and live in their own countries.

    • Anonymous
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      #11 17, 38, Tue, Sep 22 2009

      Jim is definitely right. That's why Greece sent a warning to Turkey under the EU auspices about the immigrant case.
      Turkey did the same thing with Cyprus and wants to extend this method to the whole Greece and in Thrace.So it's time to stop it right now!

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      #9 15, 08, Tue, Sep 22 2009

      To live and see these poor people ushered across borders, dangerous seas, and ultimately lose their lives is a disgrace not on the transit countries and their poor resources to handle the problem but on the war mongering west who began all these confrontations in the first place. George Bush should be served with the bill for all the misery and national debt these transit countries have received thus far. Greece like Turkey and many others are physically unable to financially accomodate these poor people. Bush needs to be brought to account beginning all these wars and now washing his [...]

      Read the full comment hands clean of it all, what a disgrace. One wonders if these 100s of 1000s were entering american territory if they would be receiving a better start in the west..........

    • Anonymous
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      #8 10, 52, Tue, Sep 22 2009

      The influx of illegal immigrants aided by turks is an increasing problem for the small islands of the Aegean. The turkish authorities are not doing enough to curb this trend. I would be interested if these immigrants are all willing to adopt the cultures of their chosen new countries and if they would be willing to fight for EU countries in times of conflict? Perhaps a term of conscription would be a testing ground for loyalty and training. Any comments?

    • Anonymous
      Aries Rating:
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      #7 00, 28, Tue, Sep 22 2009


      Yes definitly the Bakshish for Nabucco (not Verdis's Opera very impressive one),the Control of Iran (shahab_6).Iraq,Aarmenia, Georgia, Nagorna karabagh Adzerbatzian), and the Caspian sea
      (the Best Kaviar is from there
      and comes from the Beloungha)
      must be big.....

    • Anonymous
      Spartan Rating:
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      #6 23, 10, Mon, Sep 21 2009

      This is great, now Europe will have to step up a whole lot more!

    • Anonymous
      Epaminondas Rating:
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      #5 20, 30, Mon, Sep 21 2009

      Thanks to Aries for this one - "Paldies" in Latvian - there is clearly dirty work afoot with the Turks here. Bahsheesh Rules OK...

    • Anonymous
      Igor Rating:
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      #4 19, 33, Mon, Sep 21 2009

      Turks can do what they want, USA and UK (Israel) backs them.

      When this changes, Greece can complain, until then, don't expect Turkey to be brought to justice over air violations, illegal immigration or any other type of Islamic smear on Greece.

    • Anonymous
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      #3 19, 30, Mon, Sep 21 2009

      If the bakshish was rewarding why no11t.
      the following link says a lot
      http://www.emportal.rs/en/news/region/98283.html

    • Anonymous
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      #2 19, 01, Mon, Sep 21 2009

      It's not Turks who are being smuggled in, it's Africans and nationals from the Middle East.

    • Anonymous
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      #1 18, 47, Mon, Sep 21 2009

      Turkic asiatic hordes at the gates of Europe!

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