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Hearings on Kosovo at International Court of Justice nearing end
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Reaching the end of the list of countries that either support or oppose Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia, the International Court of Justice will conclude its hearings of oral arguments on the question on December 11 2009.
Vietnam and Venezuela will be the last two countries to present their arguments to the court, after Laos, The Netherlands, Romania and the United Kingdom on December 10.
On December 9, the court heard arguments in favour of Kosovo’s self-declared independence, from France, Jordan and Norway, with the representative of Paris arguing – like the other two countries that appeared that day – that the February 2008 UDI in Pristina had not been in conflict with international law.
The day before, some of the most ardent opponents of Kosovo independence spoke, including Russia and Spain, saying that Kosovo’s move had been a violation of United Nations resolution 1244.
The United States, which was among the most powerful leaders in the list of countries that were first to recognise Kosovo, said that Kosovo’s independence was endorsed by 144 countries, either through formal recognition or through supporting Kosovo joining the World Bank.
Finland, according to media reports in Pristina, told the ICJ that "it is people who decide on the fate of a territory, and not the territory deciding on the fate of the people".
In the first half of the week, Croatian representative Andreja Metelko-Zgombic of Croatia told the ICJ that Kosovo had the right to be a state and during the time of the then-Yugoslavia, Kosovo had elements that gave it a status similar to that of other constituent members of the now-defunct federation.
China and Cyprus spoke against, with Beijing’s representative saying that Kosovo’s self-declared independence was a violation of Serbia’s territorial integrity.
The ICJ proceedings are a consequence of Serbia having won, in 2008, UN General Assembly backing for the Kosovo question being referred to the international court. When the court issues its opinion, a point that could take about two years to reach, that opinion will have non-binding status.
Vietnam and Venezuela will be the last two countries to present their arguments to the court, after Laos, The Netherlands, Romania and the United Kingdom on December 10.
On December 9, the court heard arguments in favour of Kosovo’s self-declared independence, from France, Jordan and Norway, with the representative of Paris arguing – like the other two countries that appeared that day – that the February 2008 UDI in Pristina had not been in conflict with international law.
The day before, some of the most ardent opponents of Kosovo independence spoke, including Russia and Spain, saying that Kosovo’s move had been a violation of United Nations resolution 1244.
The United States, which was among the most powerful leaders in the list of countries that were first to recognise Kosovo, said that Kosovo’s independence was endorsed by 144 countries, either through formal recognition or through supporting Kosovo joining the World Bank.
Finland, according to media reports in Pristina, told the ICJ that "it is people who decide on the fate of a territory, and not the territory deciding on the fate of the people".
In the first half of the week, Croatian representative Andreja Metelko-Zgombic of Croatia told the ICJ that Kosovo had the right to be a state and during the time of the then-Yugoslavia, Kosovo had elements that gave it a status similar to that of other constituent members of the now-defunct federation.
China and Cyprus spoke against, with Beijing’s representative saying that Kosovo’s self-declared independence was a violation of Serbia’s territorial integrity.
The ICJ proceedings are a consequence of Serbia having won, in 2008, UN General Assembly backing for the Kosovo question being referred to the international court. When the court issues its opinion, a point that could take about two years to reach, that opinion will have non-binding status.
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It a great laugh to read opinions on these posts, it does not surprise me also that among these post you find rhetoric that Milosevic, Sesel, Plavsic, Mladic, Arkan, Karadic, just to name a few, have built their short political careers. As we know some of them are dead, dying or suffering from depression and different illusions of the time that has passed. Nowhere do I see notes of over 200K civilians killed in Bosnia by these fanatics nor the dead in Croatia or Kosovo. Of course you have claims here and there of statements (illusions) that you read from [...]
Read the full comment posters but what strikes me is that the world history books bluntly through down these illusions not to mention the evident fact that (hold on to your seats young Sesel’s, Plavsic’s, Arkan’s and others) 95% of Kosovo is ALBANIAN.
But when day comes that Kosovo does get recognized by UN, and when Kosovo joins EU hand in hand with the Taliban country of Serbia what will all of you do? Follow the footsteps of your leaders? (suicide!)
One of those brave returning Albanian volunteers told the NYT what the hell they were doing during the war. He said, they were advancing over the border mountain from Albania. They had horses and mules to carry the food and other supplies. When they got on the other side, the steep mountain (I think the name was Pashtrak, something like that) was all covered with woods and shrubs. As they stepped on the Serbian soil, he said the Serbs were no place to be seen, but they were - waiting. The hell broke. The interviewee said - he hit the [...]
Read the full comment ground right away. The ground was all wet in the Spring time, he lied in the mud without a peep - for hours! Then he got back to Albania!! Imagine! I am assuming they tried again and again, but is a known fact that the KLA is the only Liberation Army in the World that did not liberate even one square foot of the territory that claims to be their!
He/she loves "kosova" and he would fight and die with 11 million Albanians (!)...
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You want to hear a true story how they actually do it?
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It was May, June 1999, around that time. Place is - The Bronx, where about 20,000 Albanians live. About couple thousand of them gathered. Occasion: The Atlantic Brigade is getting assembled. About 500 Albanian volunteers dressed in greenish fatigues, age ranging from 16, 17 kids up to - little old men in their sixties.... Congressman [...]
Read the full comment Joe DioGuardi (Italo-Albo rooots) is giving a fiery speach... He's got his fist up in the air, flags & Albanian folk music, families of the volunteers.. the unruly kids running around, they are having a good time... TV cameras, interviews... The Albanians mostly speak ESL, some have Brooklyn, the Bronx accent, but you could see they are regular, simple working folks...
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Now comes the main reason why I am telling you THIS TRUE STORY:
The Atlantic Brigade 500 untrained volunteers strong was then transported to Albania and from there they attacked Kosovo-Serbia. In those TV interviews they all were pledging the allegiance to their Alo cause, just like this chap below - they were going to bleed and die for their beloved "kosova", there were 11 million of them etc.. they were going to fight "to the last drop of their blood!" After the war, the NY Times had a story (it is not difficult to find it from the NYT archive - the time was July, August, September 1999. The US journalist interviewed some returning members of this famous American Albanian Brigade. I was absolutely shocked. Would you believe - NOT ONE SINGLE MEMBER OF THAT BRIGADE WAS EITHER WOUNDED OR KILLED! They excluded the three brothers Bitiq, who stayed in Kosovo after the war, then crossed to Preshevo (they were of course up to no good), there they were quickly arrested and killed w/o a trial. The US has been insisting that the executors be tried, but even the new Serbian government is not too crazy about such a case, nothing came out of it. The Serbs say, they went there to die for "kosovu". Their wish was granted, what is to complain about? (remember after the war ended they crossed the administrative border to conduct a terrorist activities...).
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That is the true story about the World famous Albanian fighters, 11 millions, ready to die... 500 with music, TV cameras, Albanian flags were dancing, drinking, eating donated pizza, giving interviews as it was "Octoberfest", but when they finally got there - Poof! Nothing, zilch, nada, zero. Not even one single of them got even a scratch! Only the three Bitic brothers stayed after the war, then crossed into other part of Serbia to set bombs under the cover of dark, and alike, got caught and killed. Now Albanians are asking the US to punish through the Serbian courts those who killed the three infiltrated terrorists!
Kosova:
>>I love kosova. I and over 11 million people are willing to fight and die for her. That's what makes it a country. For too long we have been treated as slaves, now we are free and free will be until the end. A wise men once said, "give me liberty or give me death". God bless freedom, freedom!! The only thing worth living for... <<
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Read the full comment /> You are a funny guy, do you know that. You are comparing Patrick Henry's cry for freedom in the Revulutionary American War against the British occupiers. That has nothing top do with NATO's war against Serbia and Kumanovo Peace agreement that NATO signed w/ Serbia establishing UN TEMPORARY control over the Serbian Province.
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If you are talking about KLA, up to 1998 (one year prior to bombing), the US SD had them on the TERRORIST LIST. What freedom and dying you're talking about? They were taken off the list, you could guess why? NATO needed translators, as well as the grunts on the ground to prepare the invasion etc... Is Al Qaida fighting for freedom too, according to you?
"Hearings on Kosovo at International Court of Justice end"
Well, hopefully the outcome will be a deserved one.
Whatever it is, i hope our Serb neighbours wont burn the embassys and themself over it. After all it was them that asked for it, on top of that it was them that coused this chain effect for the outcome to be asked.
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I love kosova. I and over 11 million people are willing to fight and die for her. That's what makes it a country. For too long we have been treated as slaves, now we are free and free will be until the end. A wise men once said, "give me liberty or give me death". God bless freedom, freedom!! The only thing worth living for...
To Louis, I am not entirely sure what your long post had to do with me or albanians and Serbs and any beliefs. I simply asked Peggy a question personally for her/him as Peggy is a frequent poster. The question that I asked was politely answered by Peggy. Peggy gave me a brief description of her experience with Albanians on this board, he or she did not get invloved over the conflict nor did either of us intend to. I clearly stated to Peggy that our opinions are different, but that was just fine. I was not bombarded with anti- [...]
Read the full comment albanian links or posts, nor do I care to be. I don't view
any of your YouTube sources as credible of anything. Nor do I care to argue history, as everyone came from somewhere at sometime. The only thing I would care about discussing is the current state of kosove and it's political establishment. However I do not even want to
discuss that, it was just a simple question for Peggy, who by the way thank you for answering. So please, save your opinions and texts for people who ask. And remember, no Albanian or Serb can be "taught" or have their minds changed
on this subject. It's personal for both, and we leave it at that. Oh and one last note, when you say... "we don hate Albanians... What we hate is their lies".... This is you simply lying which makes me laugh. What you imply is that all Albanians lie, thus they are a population of liars who have "stolen" your land. Name me a human being who believes that and tell me that individual does not hate the latter? I would call that individual a liar.
Kosovo is Serbia always and always will be!! End of story! What's on the ground now in Serbia is a temporary occupation by NATO.
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Map sources are public. The website is the publication of "The Center for peace in the Balkans".
Loicovic, your links are not worth the hard disc space they are saved on.
Not a single source, not a single truth., but you know that does not exists, so hence you found your peace"ic" web blog.
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To Curious and other who ask why are those lies, look at this maps:
http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=/conten
Those are Kosovo population maps from 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004. If you are interested to investigate more, look for previous years, before the war. You think those people moved because they wanted so?
Check out this link:
http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=3&lead
If you want to learn more watch Czech documentary Stolen Kosovo, you can find it on Youtube:
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You can see a lot of details there.
Are they all liars?
There is an old proverb:
If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes truth. // If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it.
They are trying to do exactly that.
If you read a comments of those people you can always see sentences that begin with: Serbs did this..., Serbs did that... etc while in fact situation is different, no Genocide(genocide is serious claim) of Albanian population in Kosovo is proven (correct me if I'm wrong). No Albanian mass graves were found in Kosovo(also correct me if I'm wrong with that statement). 200000 Serbs were expelled from the province since '99. City of Pristina had 20000 Serbian population, today there is no Serb in Pristina. You can watch a documentary UNMIK Titanic about last 100 Serbs from Pristina, that were expelled in 2004.
I don't think they are liars, they are just not too educated and anyone could easily manipulate such people and make them believe in anything he wants them to.
Their politicians are also trying to manipulate the history for their cause in many ways. For example they are always trying to present themselves as successors of Ilirians, so they could proof they are oldest nation on the Balkans.
You can read that in various comments. While there is no material evidence of their presence in Kosovo region before 15th Century, nor any proof for supposed Illirian connection.
They say that their land was stolen by Serbs, while in fact there are Serbian Churches and monuments as old as 9th Century on Kosovo(read about Gracanica, Decani, Bogorodica Ljeviska, Pecka patrijarsija). They didn't like that so they destroyed about 70 Serbian Orthodox churches, and also destroyed many Serbian graveyards.
Albanians were minority in Kosovo until World War 2. During the war they had their SS unit (21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg). They did a lot of atrocities against local Serb and Jew population.
After the war under Communist rule Albanians were allowed to move to Kosovo from Albania, and many fled from Enver Hoxa's rule to settle in Kosovo. At the same time they started to attack Serb population, and started to blackmail them to sell their homes and land.
Yet even besides of that, Serbs don't hate Albanians, it may sound strange to you. What we hate is the way, the things they did to us, what we hate are their Lies.
Curious, this may shock you but I don't hate Albanians. I am very much against most Albanians who write here because as you might've noticed most are abusive, rude, vulgar and just plain annoying.
Since I don't know any Albanians myself I cannot form any other opinion about them based on anything else but what I read from them.
That's why I did say in one of my posts that certain comments should be condemned so the reputation doesn't get flushed down.
Since I haven't met any Albanians myself I [...]
Read the full comment must keep in mind that as human beings there are decent people ther as well. There are horrible people everywhere and decent people everywhere but comments from people like Argon really do a lot of damage to them.
People like Enver and EuroAlbo certainly don't help Albanian cause either. Sure, you get certain Serbs using abusive language as well but overall Albanians are winners.
To Enver, the short and simple answer to your question is NO. I am not ashamed now nor was I ever ashamed to say I am a Serb.
In the days of Yugoslavia I said I was Yugoslav and if asked what further I would say a Serb.
Now, even though I was born in Bosnia I never say I am Bosnian because the implies that I am a Muslim. I always say either a Bosnian Serb or just simly Serb.
You see I have a problem with just saying [...]
Read the full comment Bosnian. I wonder what you are going to make of this.
Serbs have been demonised for a long time now but still most people welcome Serbs more than they do Muslims. I know, I speak to a lot of different nationalities here in Australia. Not many Australians care about the war in former Yugoslavia or if they do discuss it they don't have much sympthy for the Muslims. Serbs have provem themselves to be great Aussies and reliable friends. We blend in. We mix with others and respect their ways. Not so with most Muslims here.
So in conclusion, I am always proud to say I am Serbian.
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Someone asked Peggy if she hated all Albanians. What a ridiculous question. She does not even live in Serbia. ... She does not swear; she is not using profanely insolent language, she is making intelligent, lucid arguments. What does that have anything to do with HATRED?
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Anyhow, regardless, I have a haunch - these hackers that spew filth onto this board under names that sound Albanian, actually they may not even be Albanians. How could any Albanian be so stupid to come out as so primitive. I immediately create [...]
Read the full comment a mental picture that these are some homeless people. It has to be a "shtick"; someone put them up to it.
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Albanians cannot benefit with this mess, because they are surrounded by mistrust and hatred, in general. Greeks, Montenegrins, Serbs, Macedonians and Bulgarians - they all are afraid of Albanians... Look what they (Albanians) did in Tetovo region, they advanced they almost captured Skopje... In Montenegro, when they go to the coast, they go to Ulcinje - in car convoys!... In Greese, you know that case, the Greeks cannot stand them, in general, because of high incidents of drug and people trafficing etc... Of course nobody is talking about ALL Albanians. Modern subatomic physics entirelly on statistics. Here too we are talking about the probability, about weighted avarages etc
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Peggy, I read these boards now and then. Somestimes it's interesting and other times, just quite childish amongst everyone. It seems that you are headstrong on giving your opinions on this topic, and though your beliefs and mine are very different; I applaud your efforts as everyone should have the right to believe what they want or rather what he/she chooses. However, I do want to ask if you have a true genuine dislike of Albanians? Do you feel the comments from some Albanians on these boards are indicative of all albanians? It's just a question because your arguments do [...]
Read the full comment have a educational thought pattern to them. However, when
you say that "Albanians got so far one
lies"... What does this indicate? Are all
Albanians pathological liars? It's just extremely hard to take any of your arguments into account when, it appears that you just purely hate Albanians. I could
be wrong, and I'm just purely askin a question.
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agron my mate
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hahahhahah its funy ...You know what for serbs is everything normal cuz serbs are serbs and they are not part of europe ..
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and the albanians are albanians
has any body heard if Albania Is A member of EU
IF YOU ETNIC ALBANIANS ARE SMART ENOUGH KOSOVO MIGHT ENTER THE EU WITH SERBIA IN ONEE YEAR TIME.
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hahahhahah its funy ...You know what for serbs is everything normal cuz serbs are serbs and they are not part of europe .....Thats why who cares what the serbs are writing ...Just one thing if bullgaria didnt suport my country i will never come in in this side.. But for serbs is normal we call tham KUKAVICE ...god blesssss bulgaria and all democratic countrys who suport Kosova in the worst day...I have just one more sentence for all normal people ...dont gat upset with serbs like PIGGY ludwig etc etc ..cuz they dont know more... all they know is just [...]
Read the full comment hate hate hate ,They gat all from on parants ...Thats is the way how the serbs teach the on
children..SERBS bellong in siberia kaukazus...
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World should remember to use the same yard stick for other regions (like Kashmir and Abghazia etc.) of the world striving for same idealogy.
ooohhhh dear peggy and some other comments from my RACIST serbians friends go and get some live you lonely idiots becouse nobody in EUROPE dont like you serbians becouse you are so much racists go and live somewhere in third world countrys becouse you are not for EUROPE becouse if EU excepts you it will be the bigest mistake ever by europe
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ylber:
>>...u sad people instead of all that hate turn it around think of peace with ur self first than with others .u people make me sick with your coments<<
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Let me tell you what happened on 9/11. They came to my city (NYC) to kill me and my family. What ever their grudge against whoever that was, they flooded our streets with derbies and 3000 corpses of my countrymen/ neighbors; for months we were breathing hazardous dust. At that point on I put up above the house entrance 7'x 3'American [...]
Read the full comment flag, which got changed, but was not taken down ever since. The entire U.S. was like that - unified (with a small exception of the American Arabs, who were rejoicing). Any person seeking justice, who is not completelly ignorant (as you struck me BTW) should be able to put himsef/hersef in other peoples' shoes. If you were able to do that, you should imagine you are a Serb. Regardles of who is the President of Serbia, you have roots in the culture and history of the land. Now, one day 100 times larger stronger military power comes and grabs 15% of your teritory, where most of your holly sites are and you raise your voice in protest. Then someone tells you: "you pipsqueeks, you chicken little, get of your ass make something of yourselves, dont bother with World avairs, u misarable little serbs, croatians, turks...". What would you tell'em?
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First off you said everyone had a flag except arabs.. right there you already ripped apart anything you just said and sounded prejudice.. I got neighbors who are arab and STILL have American flags out.. so why not close your mouth and not talk when your clueless on what your saying? What happened on 9/11 was an ATTACK .. what happened in Kosovo was a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE BECAUSE SERBIA ATTACKED ALBANIANS IN KOSOVO.. REGARDLESS IF ALBANIAS FOUGHT BACK OR NOT.. A COUNTRIES LEADER HAS NOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT TO KILL OFF A GROUP OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THERE ETHNICITY>> SO ALL THAT HOLY SITE AND TERRITORIAL CRAP IS OUT THE WINDOW..
Get it through your heads.. Even if they say Kosovo isnt independant.. it still is. Serbians arent even alloud to fly over Kosovo.. its a no FLY ZONE..and it was like that BEFORE they declared... so what makes you guys think that Serbia will just get Kosovo handed to them.. Its like saying lets give al qaeda Afghanistan.. its idiotic and dumb to even try and say that.
The words spoken by either side on the matter of the UDI by the temporary government in Pristina in the media is used mainly for domestic purposes, to either gain support from the general public in there respective states and to purely hold that natural division between east and west. This time, unlike previously, the east is supported by western nations and a very broad international group supported by nations on all continents who do have a strong say in there respective regions. For the first time, China has participated in an international debate, which carries with it special weight [...]
Read the full comment and there opinion will not be brushed away just like that, because economically they have planted themselves and unlike in previous decades play a major world wide role in all aspects of human life, political affairs, personal interests and this will be taken into consideration. The support of spain, with the basque for example is also a problem for the french. To simply dismiss simple facts like this would be ridiculous. Brazil and argentina, islamic nations, to name a few. What we hear and read via all types of media will be individual reasons, unofficially joined and coordinated by nations in support and against to make there claim stronger. But, behind the curtains it is nothing like what we see. 1 example would be, the traditional and well publicised USA vs Russia differences and used for domestic reasons by placing there two nations infront of the icj to debate 1 another on the issue of kosovo and metohija. At the same time, they are preparing the new start agreement, cooperating on afghanistan, iran, orbiting space, yet this is not publicised because it is not in either of there interest. What I am saying is, you should not be fooled by what you see and hear, what we are told is for the majority. There is no point in arguing on historical facts, an mentioning many other true points, because it will come down to greater things, greater interests, and finally, publically minimising the past criticism of serbia, down play of the current situation, dramatic change on the ground and a need to sit down and find a mutual agreement to suit all sides. Kosovo is Serbia
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The more Albanians are losing the argument, the more they come out in force condemning and lying.
Propaganda is their tool of choice which has served them well in the past but people do eventually get to see the truth.
Comment after comment written by angry and desperate Albanians.
Can't wait for ICJ to deliver their opinion. It's gonna hurt my dear Albanian friends.
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Serbians or as we call them SHKAVELLIS have to face the new reality their neighbouring country THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVO!!! Shkavellis now have to learn from Kosovoars how is to live in piece with all the minorities living together as one!Kosovars will never live togther with shkavellis because they r war criminals they killed children, women, elderly, and they are heartless...For serbs(shkavellis) it is not convinient for the balkan region to be at piece because they also smugle drugs and do other criminal activities as they always do and did in the past...Shkavellis lost Kosova once and for all...and they [...]
Read the full comment should or they Must join EU before they starve for food....God Bless The Newest State the Republic of Kosova and its people...
Go to Kosova and see a country and it's people at peace after centuries of atrocities. Read the truth in unbiased books like "Kosovo, a Short History." Genocide has no place in our world.
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It's wonderful to see the Albanians so upset. Seeing how they don't have any intelligent arguments they have to resort to showing their hate and frustration by distorting names.
Here they are accusing us of hating them and look at their work here. Name calling, distortion of names and personal attacks.
It doesn't get much better than that.
We forget in 1998 serbia offered a cease-fire and restoration of autonomy to the albanians of serbia, only to be rejected because albanians were told not to accept the cease-fire and they that they would attain more if they continue attacking serbia.
Serbia needs to insist on return of serbs and serb officials to pristina at once..prior to any additional EU discussions or negotiations!!
@ Slaven
You think you are clever don't you? Duhhh.
Kosovo is the best place in the world and it would be independent forever no matter what Serbian nationalists like Peggy and Ludvig and otheres say, they just like to daydream.
Cheers
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Serbs are occupied by historical sterotypes and this is phsycological defect.
They must open minds and release from being blind and def and making judgments based on emotions leades toward wrong conclusions.
They need help, they pretend to be bigger and smarter then they are in reality.
God forgive and help them.
MIlan, thank god you are a full russian leftover for them to make citizens out of barbarians.
you or your kind of genocide supporters could not understand civilisation, let alone the process and the rights for independence.
Ludvig Boltzmann, please leave Clinton alone, before the crackdown on Serbia, resolution 777 confirmed it very well that Serbs were agressors and were commiting genocides rapes and so much more.
Its pathetic that you need to put in these kind of things to make a sound argument.
The US UK and Nato knew who was doing what, ssad for you to rely on somebody elses morals. If the serbs had any morals they would never send in their death squads made up of prisonars and barbarians loose on a people.
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Tell me a name of another European country not recognized by UN?Kosovo will never be recognized by UN,it will never be a country. It will either be Serbia or internationaly governed province or teritory,if you like.You can not create a new state and new nations out of your imagination.
All the countries that spoke for the Albanians, one after the other parroted a refrain: "International Community" had o act - to stop the Serbian crackdown against the ethnic Albanians..."
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Now consider this one: It was Bill Clinton, who made that decision, after he was dragged for a full year in the court specially set for him (Judge K. Star). At the beginning he lied in front of the TV cameras about in the eyes of the court totally insignificant thing - oral [...]
Read the full comment sex with 20 year intern at the White House. Previously, when he was governor of Arkansas, little secretary (Johns) sued him for sexually attacking/harassing her. The layers caught Clinton's public lie about Monica, and used that line of questioning in their deposition proceedings. Clinton kept lying, but did not go far. Under oath, w/ overwhelming evidence he had to admit - he had exactly 32 b.j. sessions w/ Monica in the middle of the Oval Office. Then came long impeachment process. At the end even many of his Democratic Party Senators voted for IMPEACHMENT! That was not gonna be the end of his trouble. Kenneth Star had after the impeachment the authority to criminally prosecute him. Clinton lost his license to argue the cases in front of S.C. etc.., and he was 1 inch from going to jail, as my fellow Republicans were pushing. This took the entire 1998. Then in the beginning of 1999 he gave the Serbs the Ultimatum in Rambouillet - either give us Kosovo and allow NATO troops to cross YU at will, or we are going to make a parking lot of your country. Long after the bombing, Bill Clinton was chosen in the U.S. nationwide poll as THE MOST IMMORAL PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. Having in mind all my outline what was going one here prior to the bombing of Serbia, tell me what are the chances, that Bil Clinton was bombing Serbia to "liberate" Albanians? Could anyone believe that morality was on Clinton's mind those days (or any day)?
Remsy ,
If all the people were like you there would be not even a little problem in the world. But you no that even in the most civilized countries there are degenerates, who rape, kill, take advantage of other innocent people. The question posed here is, what to do in that case. In side of civilized countries it is easy, there is an objective system for maintaining order founded on uniform justice which is facilitated through Precedent Doctrine etc. The problem is abroad, where you have a mixture of very difficult problems (dictatorship, religion fanatics, feudal kingdom, [...]
Read the full comment large amount of primitive, uneducated population...). What do you do there? There is only International Law (IL). Guess what that is? That is the UN Charter & Book of International Treaties. That is all. Neither of those two has real teeth. The UN has no army. The ICC (recently formed UN Criminal Court) is powerless. You cannot bring anybody in. They indicted the president of Sudan for War Crimes against Humanity, but how are you going to bring him in? If the President of Sudan is beyond reach, how could someone even dream of indicting President of G.B., Germany, Russia, U.S. etc? In that case how could you speak about UNIFORM justice. We could only speak about SELECTIVE justice. But that is not the end of the story. For those of us who believe in God (I do not believe in organized religion, but by default in inability to comprehend overwhelming mystery of life and the Universe), we think - one way or the other, court or no court, you do criminal, inhumane acts - just wait, some nice, windless summer day, your horrible acts will catch up with you. That is all what we are trying to sort out here.
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Is it fair to treat Albanians as a citizens of second order? No
Is it fair/just to have a NATO (700 milion people) ILLEGALY (w/o the UN approval)to bomb two months Serbia, day and night, using DU (U238), cluster bombs, destroying on purpose the main country's TV station, killing 16 journalists in the studio? Of course, not.
Could my U.S. be proud that we took away Kosovo after continuous bombing of Belgrade, turning electricity off for 2 million inhabitants using graphite bombs, depriving them of water and electricity, therefore sending them loud and clear message - we will eliminate you all like little rats (just like the chap on the "high horse" I was addressing below), IF YOU DO NOT GIVE US KOSOVO? Hell, no.
Wrong decision by Bulgarian government to support new Albanian state in Balkans.
There is simply nothing Bulgarian authorities can be proud of and you all know that very well.
Obviously they haven't learnt the lesson from history and consequently future generations will have to suffer for it.
Having a good neighbour means a lot......... and having a hostile neighbour ruins your life sooner or later.
You cannot pretend and say that you were not free to make our own choices.
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People wake up. Instead of blaming each other we have to build our future. Albanians and Serbian people will always be neighbors. So it should be in both parties interest to come along with each other. Surprisingly this conflict only bothers serbians and kosovo-albanians in the balkans. All over the world there are so many friendships between these countries and this how it should be. Kosovo is just a geostrategic interest for the supporters as well as for the opposition. Don't be blind. Start building your future by yourself. Nobody else can do this for you!!! Whether the Americans nor [...]
Read the full comment the russians. I hope I dont have to teach my children about the "barbarian serbs" or "albanian heros" or vice verca. I am an albanian and proud to be one. but understand that you are what you are and you cant chose it. But you can chose how to "promote" your identity, culture or nation. I dont wanna read everyday about the conflicts, crimes and so on in the balkans. I want to see the balkans becoming Europe's China. Best wishes to all Balkan people all over the world. Remsy, Lisbon.
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@allen
the only way your kurdish theory works is if you are willing to ignore everything that happened in what was yugoslavia.
Was there a country made of several groups before turks used violence on all its non turks from that union... to have become a country of turkey after the failure to control it all? that would be more an appropriate comparison to what yugoslavia was and what serbia is today. When did kurds ... and what part of today's turkey had federal constitutional representation in the country that was stripped [...]
Read the full comment from them from a maniacal turkish leadership? Isnt turkey a rather older country while todays serbia is politically at least, less than a decade old and never controlled kosovo at all?
The Question is why you would think todays serbia gets any sort of authority or legitimacy "like" Turkey..or any other country in the world for that matter... clearly serb apologists and rampant nationalists believe in the mythology they are fed that served and continues to serve as motivation for what they delude themselves into thinking they are entitled to. But what is your excuse? Because Slobodan milosovic ...a dictator and madman serbs themselves ended up tossing out took it upon himself to singlehandedly rewrite a constituion of a country that no longer exists... that is the authority by wich kosovars are held to?
The issue at hand didnt start with kosovo's declaration of independence... Independence ended it.
Serbia was the Cause and the only common denominator in All of the violence of the breakup of the former yugoslavia... they proudly exist as serbia simply because every single former neighbor sought escape. There are seven, count them seven new countries formed of serbias failed attempt to steal it all.
if all of you people think of doing something with your life rather then others it would make a great change why cant you mind your own business when is time to make money you kiss eachothers ass you people make me sick i travel and seen many serbs croatian albanian turks kurds ets getting on very well together live in peace chickens you ,do something with ur self dont try to solve the world problems u sad people instead of all that hate turn it around think of peace with ur self first than with others .u people make [...]
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Alan
Thu, Dec 10 2009 17:28 CET
"Finland, according to media reports in Pristina, told the ICJ that "it is people who decide on the fate of a territory, and not the territory deciding on the fate of the people".
Why does the same not apply to the 25+ million Kurds in Turkey? They should also be supported in their courageous fight for freedom & their right to decide the fate of their territory."
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Read the full comment bearing on the decision then we will see this exact situation happening all over the world.
ICJ is supposed to rule on the point of law as it is now, not some emotional outburst by Finland. What Finland says sounds nice but how can this be used as an argument withing the law that exists now? This arguments should've been included in the law while they were making the law and then it would be feneficial.
If this is included then say goodbye to Bosnia as it is now because people of RS have the right to decide what happens to that land not the state of Bosnia.
Say goodbye to Kosovo as it is now because people of north Kosovo will decide what happens to the land not the rest of Kosovo.
How far do we take this argument? How small or big an area has to be for the world to allow this to be a go ahead to separate?
China had a good point when they said that Res 1244 was vilated. If they knew that Res 1244 was going to be attempted to be interpreted as America and some are trying to interpretd not whey would've never signed it. In other words, the west signed something they had no intention of honouring in the spirit it was signed in. That's violating Res 1244 which is also against the law.
For all you Albanians who think that Serbs are bitter I say rubbish. What is there to be bitter about? You don't have Kosovo. You are only presuming that ICJ will give you Kosovo. It's prving very difficult now so it is you who are agitated and write insults on this site.
Let's see how it all pans out before any bitterness happens.
Kosovo is gone,life goes on.
I see Venezuela (Chavez), Iran(Ahmandinejad) and Libya (Gadafi) support Serbia it seems tha only Kim Il Sung from North Korea is missing from the party.
Albania must be a really failed country. It seems that all Albanians prefer living in other people's countries!
TÜRKYIE IS THE BEST!
Kosovo's so called 'independence' will slowly be reversed when the world gets bored of facing the legal problems. It was never going to last. Kosovo will never in a billion years get in to the EU when more than half the member states refuse to recognise it. Serbia will be in the EU & the Albanians in Kosovo will be left out forever, and without formal UN recognition. Oh dear, the Kosovo dream is already coming to an end, it was hardly worth even bothering to design a flag.
Bye bye Serbia, your greater Serbian dream is shattered. I'm surprised that some Serbs now are using English names to make their propaganda more belivable. There is no way in a milion times that Kosovo would go back to Serbia after the Serbs killed children, woman and elderly just ten years ago, and before that the Kosovars had not basic human rights. Again thanx to the democratic world Kosovo today is free.
Taurus,
Serbia asked for this hearing, not Kosovo or any other country.
Serbia can count on Greece & Cyprus to have 2 votes in Europe, & 2 vetos against any nation trying to punish Serbia. Serbia will join us in the EU soon.
Kosovar -
You think Croatia will resist the pressure of 27 EU states just to protect Kosovo Albanians? You are dreaming. They will cave in & behave like good little children & Serbia will join the EU, then the Kosovo dream will end.
how can kosovo albanians accept the serbian regime back ?just a reminder> another mass grave, with the 86 bodies that were spirited out of Kosovo more than two years ago in a refrigerated truck. The remains of those 86 people were first dumped into the Danube in March 1999, then secretly reburied on another VJ training ground, near the Belgrade suburb of Batajnica.
Both sites were presumed to contain remains of Kosovo Albanians killed during the 1998-1999 conflict in the province and brought to Serbia in an effort to destroy traces of war crimes. There was [...]
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Bulgaria is huge supporter of Kosovo Albanians and again against Serbia. Do not trust to Bulgarians ever.
It is great fun to read bitter comments from nationalist individuals who cannot swallow the very creation of Kosovo as a state. The events has turned against Serbia and a free Kosova is the result. Serbia has the chance to create peace and include Kosovars in the Serbian state in the late eighties, but it instead chose colonialist policies.
That did not work and if the ICJ rules a draw of win for it for Kosova, that Serbia has lost again. And with time, when its mad nationalism calmes it will recognize Kosovo in order to [...]
Read the full comment join the EU.
To all those who think that Serbia can join the EU without recognizing Kosovo, think about this scenario; Croatia will block Serbia's application if it has not recognized Kosovo.
The Serbian minority of Kosovo should also now gain independence from Kosovo. Why should they be forced into being the minority, which the Albanians never wanted to be?
How many African Americans are there in the US? Perhaps they can also get together & demand territory from the US.
How about the Albanians in Italy? Should they also gain independence?
The Kurds of Turkey?
Every ethnic group has its own country. (except Kurds). If Albanians don't like life in Serbia, then they are free [...]
Read the full comment to move to Albania. The same with Serbs living in other countries, and every other ethnic group. The world can not fall apart because every ethnic minority starts crying for independence.
Kosovo is a disgrace and should eventually be returned to full control of Serbia.
Finland, according to media reports in Pristina, told the ICJ that "it is people who decide on the fate of a territory, and not the territory deciding on the fate of the people".
Why does the same not apply to the 25+ million Kurds in Turkey? They should also be supported in their courageous fight for freedom & their right to decide the fate of their territory.
Serbs. Please grow up. You lost. Your appetite for destruction has destroyed much of your state. Admit to your mistakes, and lets move on, as equal neighbours, with all the rights for minorities, into the new Europe.
The question of the legitamacy of Kosovo's so called independence will blow up when the balkans all joins the EU. Kosovo will be integrated as part of Serbian territory, and will be represented in the EU by Serbia. At that point, the recognition process will slowly but surely reverse and the idea of an independent Kosovo will end. The EU will never ever be able to have 27 states agree that Kosovo is independent. So, Kosovo can either enter the EU as Serbia, or sit outside the EU and think they are independent and just enjoy poverty and no future [...]
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The Kosovo dream will end at the doors of Europe.
Serbia was invaded and now it's territory is being illegaly occupied by seperatist terrorists. How can the USA and UN class the Kurds of Turkey who want independence as terrorists? And at the same time class the Albanians in Serbia who want independence as freedom fighters? These double standards will eventually lead to the start of the third world war, and countries who encourage these unilateral declarations of independence will be responsible. Kosovo IS and always will be Serbian territory.
Give independence to the Kurds in Turkey who amount to over 20 million and who have [...]
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USA, UN, Britain and blind followers of the Kosovo theft, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
these hearings are a shameful charade and only serve to justify american policy and nato bombing of serbia
Tous les etats successeurs a la Yugoslavie inclue la Serbie son des Etats qui doivent etres patronnes pour survivre soit par les Russes soit par les Americains(OTAN)soit par les Chinois.Le resultat du deplorable du demembrement de la Yugoslavie.
Cela est une verite plenible tres penible a avaler.